Y2Jayne wrote: ↑August 19th, 2023, 8:40 am
Sounds condescending and intolerant to people who disagree with that way of listing (I'd like to point out that I don't care about the listings, I just don't like that tone).
Displaying proper intentions via text is always iffy and definitely not my preferred way to communicate. My response was based on analytical and logistical reasoning, if that helps.
Not having the themes included is not telling the whole accurate story of a person's theme history usage. The argument is that these are solo listings only, and the implication that if someone wants to also see tag/stable entries they have to go to those.
Here's the problem: How does someone know that wrestler was in tag teams/stables, when, and what themes were used?
• Pretend I am completely new to the hobby and have no knowledge.
• I look up Shawn Michaels to see what themes he used. If I go off of Shawn's listing with no prior knowledge, I would believe that Shawn's first theme and first wrestled in the WWF was 1990.
• One could argue 'well click the association lightning bolt it takes you to The Rockers'. That's true, but then how do I know he was part of that tag team throughout all that run?
• According to the original listing, it only lists 1 of the 5 themes, and in 1990. It would lead me to believe that Shawn joined The Rockers in 1990.
• Look at Marty Jannetty's listing, it's just as bad only worse, because there's not even an entry for both his team of him and the 123 kid (even tag champs) and him on the New Rockers.
• Again, for a person without any existing knowledge, it would just look like Marty had a single theme in his entire WWF run and he was apparently solo.
• Back to Shawn’s further down we see he apparently used Rick Rude’s theme. That doesn’t seem right. However, if I follow the association link, it does take me to Rick Rude’s theme count.
• One could argue ‘well come on, everyone knows he was with D-Generation X’. How do I know that? Without previous knowledge to go by and without tag team/stable entries in there to clarify as such that’s what I would come away with.
• This is the issue and inherent flaw with doing this the way it is now. The overall profile accuracy is incorrect. It's also dangerously close to the philosophy that the elite at Discogs have turned the website into. It's solely focused on individual listings. It's not about overall accuracy and cohesion of the entry and how it integrates into an overall label or group.
A simple fix for people who want the solo counts to retain the solo first use dates but still include and retain the information I talked about would be to add a column to the left of the information which lists 'Solo' or 'Tag/Stable'. It would be the best of both worlds.
We need to keep in mind while we eat and breathe this stuff there's multitudes of people out there with entirely different knowledge spectrums. This should be comprehensive and able to make sense to the lowest common denominator. That's what I assumed and hoped this site was for in general: a resource for fans of all levels. Please put yourself in that perspective of what I mentioned above and then take this into consideration.
One last thing....with the new V7 redesign on the horizon, I think this is the perfect time to bring up the recommendation for a revamp to theme counts format, what the new replacement format is, and why it's been adopted by a lot of people- including myself. It's simple layout, universal compatibility between other people, and a fluid/easily adjustable count structure. I'll be making a post about that shortly here that I encourage you to check out.