A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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BeDmAn
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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Chris wrote: August 10th, 2020, 11:51 am Thanks to everyone who has found and shared these tracks for the benefit of others. It's always neat to see these sorts of updates on unknown themes, especially ones over 30 years old.

EDIT: So I was just going through and marking Kamala as deceased on all of his counts, and I notice on his UWF page we already have a theme listed that is a combination of "Sunny Earth" and "Moyonga". The date is about 4 months before the first date of usage in WWE.

https://xylotthemes.com/#!/themes/uwf/kamala

Is this the same theme that he used in WWE? Does this mean it wasn't created by WWE, or maybe it's a different edit of the songs that inspired WWE to make their own?
It's the same theme. Not WWF made.

Here's another video where he used it in the UWF:
https://youtu.be/bUMP2J2zGRA?t=7

Now the question, is it a medley that was made on purpose for him or can it be found "all made" somewhere else? I highly doubt the UWF created it. At that time in wrestling, outside WWF, they were using songs that already existed, especially the UWF.
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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Ha, I figured Godzfire would finish his edit before me :D
Anyway, since I already started I went ahead and finished it. Jesus, a lot of weird shit going on with the edits in this one.

You can download it here: https://mega.nz/file/SHwjVCjC#fosvuPDVA ... 4oz7EHEo7A

Like Godzfire said, syncing the 3 tracks is hell. I discovered that Taka Shinja can be used as a baseline since once it comes in it basically plays through the track with no cuts (until the very end).
Agua Moose wrote: August 10th, 2020, 7:04 am That's a great edit, GodzFire. Amazing work.

I'm always sceptical about apparent pitch and speed edits in these older themes. Bear in mind, they were often played from tapes that had been used repeatedly (some of which might have been second, third, etc. generation recordings). It's likely that some of what we heard in arenas had some degree of distortion. Isn't there even a theme available where you can faintly hear another theme bleeding through from the other side of the tape?
Yeah, the arena tapes have all sorts of issues. I had a hell of a time trying to sync this edit with an arena tape before I realized the tape did not run at a constant speed. Once I figured that out it was a little easier :P
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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The fluxuration slowness and quickness is probably due to wow and flutter from not so great tape decks or not so great tape reels so I'd imagine the edits done here are correct anyway to the sources of the masters. Well as correct as they can be.

As it's tribal I'd probably go with the fastest speed one to match the BPM's of the 3 tracks or if it's all the same BPM anyway keep it how it is. It's about finding the mix you prefer really when going for making the wow and flutter free lossless version.

Then you have the cleaner tape source anyway to base it on as well that JD Thump version although only a long sample of the track is on there it helps for a bit of accuracy on the first 1 minute and a half probably because the speed and quality is more accurate compared to the lossless still has a lot of wow and flutter so probably won't help afterall.

Good jobs guys

Edit: Seems whatever speed Godz parts were are more accurate because in a Virtual DJ compared to the more accurate speed JD Thump version of the cassette when it matched my BPM's up GodzFire's one sounded perfect to the tape at it's given values of +5.9 difference didn't mess up the pitch of the sound.

It's a shame as Bubba's ending was more accurate and the bitrate came out a bit higher but because it was layed out in the correct speeds in the editing booth GodzFire's sounded correct on the +5.9 thing making his attempt the actual theme.

Now if someone can remake it with GodzFire's Speed matching and bubba's accuracy having a decent ending and stuff with a +5.9 change in speed it would sound spot on.

Here's GodzFire with the speed set though until we see a second bubba edit with the correct ending with the Godz layout and the same +5.9 speed.

https://app.box.com/s/83mtjp73gg4u7rpo61o1fsh0qvwlb7lr

Here's a fun bonus as well a compare of Evil Empire and what it seems to be based on albeit with some notes took out in the remake, a pitch change, a speed lower, and Johnston beats added to it replacing the Tikaham beats which seemed to have been completely beat removed in the remake might even be redone by Johnston on the same instrument at a slower tempo wouldn't put it past him.

Seems like everytime wrestling remakes mainstream there is weird stuff going on like they used real stock footage and chopped notes out as well as remove all back beats, speed it up, pitch shift and all sorts of weird stuff to get away with it or if you are lucky they remake it completely on the same instrument.

I remember when they did it to Zorro as well for FCW and the intro of it was pitch shifted to sound like rapid tap dancing whilst when it got into the track it sounded reletively normal speed as well.

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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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Updated/tweaked/fixed version of the original Kamala stereo mix with thanks to Neomic. Tightened up some stuff, better matching the original. Recommend getting it:

Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 - https://www.sendspace.com/file/c4wm79
Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 Volume Mastered - https://www.sendspace.com/file/6oynx8
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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GodzFire wrote: August 12th, 2020, 10:04 pm Updated/tweaked/fixed version of the original Kamala stereo mix with thanks to Neomic. Tightened up some stuff, better matching the original. Recommend getting it:

Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 - https://www.sendspace.com/file/c4wm79
Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 Volume Mastered - https://www.sendspace.com/file/6oynx8
Perfect improvement.

Here's the Virtual DJ BPM redone in Audacity so I can save it in Flac 24-Bit 8 (Best Quality) slider format as Virtual DJ don't think saves in FLAC but it's a good BPM compare meter to get the speed addition amount correct though.

Now it's as perfect as it could get to the source.

Not too sure about the drums on the ending being perfection though I think the drums before the yodaling and stomping at the end are a more dominant volume all the way through let alone in the ending on the source tapes but I guess it's the best clone copy we can make up at the moment I think it's correct but the volume might be a bit low on that particular drums track as it seems to be the more dominent one in my headphones on the tape.

Since that part of the drums at 7:05 on the full arena tape which coincedently runs into yodaling and stomping because it's a long drums section it seems to be the dominent volume part in the mixing for me at that point in it just seems a little low in the remake but the mix is perfect though I hope it's saved as a project file as it would be a quick job making that the dominent drums of the mix that point in if it's a project file.

Those tommowhawk drums near the ending are almost as loud as the big drum in the baackground on the tape source you can still hear them whilst it is going on thats why I just wanted to bring it to your attension about the volume of the end mixing.

Only a bit of constructive as the mix itself this time is perfect loved this version. If you can be bothered for V3 can't wait for it to hear those tommowhawks get more punchy if not happy with V2 with my corrected speed love it Godz. I'm not even sure if it's possible to get the tommahawks more punchy if it's the same track as the big drum unless they overlapped that part with an earlier tommohawk drums bit that was more punchy in the track over the bit with the big drum to punch the sound up maybe that was the trick to getting punchy tommohawks they used overlapping the lower volume ones with punchy ones from earlier in the track dunno it's guesswork as earlier on it seemed the mix volume of those tommohawks were punchy it was only later when they got lower volume than the source.

6:55 in the arena tape they were really punchy and I think they were also really punchy in that point in the remake so I think that might be the drums in particular they may or may not have done a blend trick with to make the drums within the big bass drum get more punchy anyway it's probably just my new Sennheiser's making me notice the punchiness difference to begin with in that near the end area. I also see other differences like the woodern spoon or glockenspeil instrument being more dominent in volume on the tapes.

https://app.box.com/s/ty0oofgyvjpqnioliz7ujnejkolc0y75

I think it's better to show the differences rather than talk about them but doing them both anyway as half the time I realise now that people don't understand what I'm saying half the time but to post the differences in mix volume dominences people would understand that.

https://app.box.com/s/fjty23tza1ui19g6lnje7j428cvphkap
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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I went ahead and fixed a couple things in my edit. Just so no one gets the wrong idea, I'm definitely not trying to play dueling edits with Godzfire, I just do the editing as a hobby and I enjoy it. I've been waiting for literally years for the chance to edit together Kamala's theme once all the parts were found, so I want to do it right.
I adjusted the speed to be more arena-accurate and tweaked the mixing.
Here it is:
https://mega.nz/file/DaxFhLRT#FUzCw4DfD ... wmktMI5FGc
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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I done my best out of the 2 best sources the JYD and Craig Tapes to make us a proper best quality guide where these 2 Hikehonor quotes from the Malepenenga track are placed.

59 seconds in on just before the treble bit may be a bit later on the speed without the tape speedup at al loud shouty volume.

2:09 again seems to be less volume but might be the Mono before another rolling treble section it seems.

Other than that I think we have it all even the Hikie Iziggio is perfect on a new proper listen I thought it sounded a bit wrong to the original but it actually didn't Hikehonor on the otherhand isn't in the remake at all. Maybe the trick to have the wooden instrument perfect to JYDThump was to all along make the music cut and the quote mixes into seperate 24-Bit setting 8 High Quality FLAC files, open them up again, mix them and away you go the proper instrumentation without some sounds hiding with the chants also on top.

I think making the actual track is that 2 track approach rather than the 4 track but blended together like that makes it a 4 track recording kinda thing.


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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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awesome work, guys
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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GodzFire wrote: August 12th, 2020, 10:04 pm Updated/tweaked/fixed version of the original Kamala stereo mix with thanks to Neomic. Tightened up some stuff, better matching the original. Recommend getting it:

Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 - https://www.sendspace.com/file/c4wm79
Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 Volume Mastered - https://www.sendspace.com/file/6oynx8
The files are deleted now. Any chance you could reupload the volume mastered version, please?
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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Agua Moose wrote: October 11th, 2020, 2:48 pm
GodzFire wrote: August 12th, 2020, 10:04 pm Updated/tweaked/fixed version of the original Kamala stereo mix with thanks to Neomic. Tightened up some stuff, better matching the original. Recommend getting it:

Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 - https://www.sendspace.com/file/c4wm79
Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 Volume Mastered - https://www.sendspace.com/file/6oynx8
The files are deleted now. Any chance you could reupload the volume mastered version, please?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/nwel0m
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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Alex wrote: October 12th, 2020, 9:26 am
Agua Moose wrote: October 11th, 2020, 2:48 pm
GodzFire wrote: August 12th, 2020, 10:04 pm Updated/tweaked/fixed version of the original Kamala stereo mix with thanks to Neomic. Tightened up some stuff, better matching the original. Recommend getting it:

Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 - https://www.sendspace.com/file/c4wm79
Kamala-Session-Mixdown-2.1 Volume Mastered - https://www.sendspace.com/file/6oynx8
The files are deleted now. Any chance you could reupload the volume mastered version, please?
https://www.sendspace.com/file/nwel0m
Thanks, Alex! :D
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Re: A note regarding Kamala's famous 'Ugandan' theme

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Adaption to one of the ones before with the newly found real used in the track Malepenenga shouts in it mixed in very badly and slap dashed but it's the best that could be mixed using ogg into flac quality for a start and then volume mixing so you can hear it is involved can't get perfection in the mixing volumes unless if you rebuild the full track as well as get the flac Malepenenga to be honest with you guys.

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